tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-431135023103819088.post3815105503532465391..comments2023-06-28T05:08:34.909-06:00Comments on Musings on Mormonism: Can our hearts be trusted?I am the Clayhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03746787843582356037noreply@blogger.comBlogger82125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-431135023103819088.post-15183233909733724572009-09-19T23:00:58.504-06:002009-09-19T23:00:58.504-06:00Dallin Oaks did a book Called Carthage Conspiracy....Dallin Oaks did a book Called Carthage Conspiracy. Nobody was killed by Joseph at the Carthage jail, though one guy was shot in the face. Nobody was convicted either. There's a book review at http://www.mormonheretic.org/2009/09/08/carthage-conspiracy-trial-of-josephs-assassins/Rickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17880818813354409787noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-431135023103819088.post-2747132613929344992009-08-28T13:11:02.366-06:002009-08-28T13:11:02.366-06:00Pure Mommy ~~
Thank you for sharing your thoughts...Pure Mommy ~~<br /><br />Thank you for sharing your thoughts here. <br />I was touched.<br /><br />God bless you,<br />gloriaI am the Clayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03746787843582356037noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-431135023103819088.post-42133587760786220072009-08-27T18:43:58.878-06:002009-08-27T18:43:58.878-06:00Seth-
It sounds like you have been caused some pai...Seth-<br />It sounds like you have been caused some pain by the actions of those acting under the name of Evangelical Christians. While I do not know all of the ways you have been wronged, either by the way your fellow LDS of the generations past, or in your personal experience, I can still say that I am sorry. Each and every one of us, be we filled with the Spirit of God or not, will cause hurt in the lives of others. Sometimes intentional, sometimes not. Sometimes we even think it is done in the best interests of our Lord (who truly can speak for himself...why do we forget that!).<br /><br />Yes, it is part of our sin nature to mess up and in the process hurt others. BUT, it is always important to ask forgiveness and repent (walk away from those actions in complete opposite fashion) when the Lord brings them to our attention.<br /><br />On behalf of the name of Evangelical Christians, I want to ask your forgiveness. Will you please forgive the whole for the unkind acts of the few? Forgive us for the unkind words that caused hurt in your heart?<br /><br />I understand if you are not ready to do so, I just could not pass by the necessary apology with clear conscience. I do hope that one day you will be able to forgive the hurts that you have encountered.Pure Mommy Extracthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07929765712621151308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-431135023103819088.post-38798179530873873882009-08-25T13:05:22.650-06:002009-08-25T13:05:22.650-06:00Hello "catz",
Thanks for dropping by my...Hello "catz",<br /><br />Thanks for dropping by my blog and THANK you for your prayers!!<br /><br /><br />God bless,<br />gloriaI am the Clayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03746787843582356037noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-431135023103819088.post-10603187559045845632009-08-25T12:54:51.492-06:002009-08-25T12:54:51.492-06:00Hello Gloria!
Thank you so much for this blog. I w...Hello Gloria!<br />Thank you so much for this blog. I will be praying for you and your ministry!Catznoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-431135023103819088.post-39880099505558084802009-08-14T20:58:47.173-06:002009-08-14T20:58:47.173-06:00Seth,
Wow. After reading your last comments, all ...Seth,<br /><br />Wow. After reading your last comments, all I can say is "wow". <br /><br />All I can muster to say right now to ya, is heaven help you, Seth.<br /><br />I'll continue to pray,<br /><br />GloriaI am the Clayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03746787843582356037noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-431135023103819088.post-70305520235404416152009-08-14T20:54:50.784-06:002009-08-14T20:54:50.784-06:00No, I don't think Joseph was comparing his own...No, I don't think Joseph was comparing his own character to that of Jesus Christ. I know the exact quote you are thinking of, and I think anti-Mormons make waaay too much of it.<br /><br />And apparently you didn't read my comment. I didn't just say "Joseph is a martyr because I say so." I backed up my opinion with other authorities. You have not done the same.Seth R.https://www.blogger.com/profile/13769247769345052208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-431135023103819088.post-27708426128390698472009-08-14T20:49:52.885-06:002009-08-14T20:49:52.885-06:00Gloria, apparently I'm not a Christian.
So I ...Gloria, apparently I'm not a Christian.<br /><br />So I don't mind a couple filthy mobbing wastes of space getting their heads blown off. Don't lose any sleep over it at all.<br /><br />Nope, I'm no Jesus. I'm not even a Stephen. Never pretended to be.<br /><br />Don't know how Joseph felt about them though. I imagine his feelings weren't on the same exalted plane as Jesus.<br /><br />Jesus is a hard model for any mortal sinner to live up to. So the fact that Joseph didn't rise to his level isn't exactly news to me.Seth R.https://www.blogger.com/profile/13769247769345052208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-431135023103819088.post-213762338182450192009-08-14T20:47:47.046-06:002009-08-14T20:47:47.046-06:00" .. no one here is comparing Joseph Smith to..." .. no one here is comparing Joseph Smith to Jesus christ"......<br /><br />No, Seth you are right. I think Joseph Smith did that though, eh?<br /><br />Kind regards,<br />gloriaI am the Clayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03746787843582356037noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-431135023103819088.post-69484205236480318442009-08-14T20:46:09.489-06:002009-08-14T20:46:09.489-06:00No, seth I don't skip your comments. I read th...No, seth I don't skip your comments. I read them, sincerely I do. <br /><br />I just was saying that just because you call Joseph a martyr doesn't mean he is to me or others. I understand that to the LDS people they hold him up as near worship status. I grant that they don't pray to him or bow down to his statue, but they do have statues of him and lots of them. :) <br /><br />I am just saying just because Seth says you believe he is, doesn't mean the rest of us agree Seth.<br /><br />We all have the right to our opinions and I respect yours. Doesn't mean I agree though. :)<br /><br />Kind regards,<br />gloriaI am the Clayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03746787843582356037noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-431135023103819088.post-31223857502300650082009-08-14T20:42:30.706-06:002009-08-14T20:42:30.706-06:00I agree seth. Many people have "idols" ....I agree seth. Many people have "idols" .... I don't agree with that. <br /><br />Most christians I hang with only have ONE they worship.. and he ain't no idol at that. :)<br /><br />Kind regards,<br />GloriaI am the Clayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03746787843582356037noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-431135023103819088.post-91122138393632238102009-08-14T20:40:08.408-06:002009-08-14T20:40:08.408-06:00" Good riddance I say -- hope it hurt"....." Good riddance I say -- hope it hurt".........<br /><br /><br />Seth, <br /><br />Please compare your statement above about the men jospeh killed to the statement of the Lord Jesus and Stephen when they were unjustly killed:<br /><br /> <br /><br />First Jesus' words:<br /><br />" Father forgive them, for they know not what they do".. Luke 23:34<br /><br />Then Stephens:<br /><br />" And they stoned Stephen, calling upon God and saying " Lord Jesus receive my spirit. And he kneeled down, and cried with a loud voice, Lord lay not this sin to their charge. " <br /><br />Acts 8:60<br /><br />All I can say is "wow" Seth.....<br /><br />GloriaI am the Clayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03746787843582356037noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-431135023103819088.post-91709158520534665052009-08-14T20:35:15.863-06:002009-08-14T20:35:15.863-06:00It's not just me who says Joseph was a martyr....It's not just me who says Joseph was a martyr. I gave you the dictionary definition gloria.<br /><br />It doesn't make complete passivity a requirement.<br /><br />Really, did you skip my comments above because they were too long or something?Seth R.https://www.blogger.com/profile/13769247769345052208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-431135023103819088.post-3886018657508483672009-08-14T20:33:29.482-06:002009-08-14T20:33:29.482-06:00Re-read my above comments.
I didn't say they ...Re-read my above comments.<br /><br />I didn't say they died because my historical sources say that two mobbers were wounded and none died.<br /><br />I'm interested to see if Pip's alleged sources are credible or not.<br /><br />Not that I really care if those mobbers did die.<br /><br />Good riddance I say - hope it hurt.Seth R.https://www.blogger.com/profile/13769247769345052208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-431135023103819088.post-61574057801392578442009-08-14T20:33:13.831-06:002009-08-14T20:33:13.831-06:00Seth,
With all due respect, Just because you thi...Seth,<br /><br /> With all due respect, Just because you think Joseph was a martyr.. certainly does not mean the rest of the world thinks as you do. <br /><br />You are free to hold your opinion of course, but just because Seth Rogers states that Smith is a martyr does not prove he is.<br /><br />Kind regards,<br />gloriaI am the Clayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03746787843582356037noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-431135023103819088.post-57771285066866751402009-08-14T20:31:14.515-06:002009-08-14T20:31:14.515-06:00Well, I've tried hard to keep my temper in con...Well, I've tried hard to keep my temper in control here Gloria. I don't think I entirely succeeded.<br /><br />Yes, LDS idolize Joseph Smith. Just like Michael Jackson fans idolize Michael Jackson. Just like a lot of people idolize Obama. Just like Evangelicals idolize Paul. Just like a lot of main street Christians whitewash Biblical history.<br /><br />This isn't a particularly LDS failing. It's a human failing and if you thought leaving the LDS Church was going to get you away from it, you're going to be very unpleasantly surprised.Seth R.https://www.blogger.com/profile/13769247769345052208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-431135023103819088.post-54350525913451614992009-08-14T20:29:57.049-06:002009-08-14T20:29:57.049-06:00Seth,
I re-read your quotes from History of the C...Seth,<br /><br />I re-read your quotes from History of the Church above.. I noticed that there was no mention of the men who were shot at by Joseph , dying from the wounds. Why do you think this info was left out?<br /><br />Perhaps it's there... I don't have my History of the Church handy ( it's in the attic) so maybe it is... would you kindly share the part where it states that these men died from wounds inflicted by the gun smith shot?<br /><br />Thanks,<br />gloriaI am the Clayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03746787843582356037noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-431135023103819088.post-267642891333612112009-08-14T20:27:02.428-06:002009-08-14T20:27:02.428-06:00Seth,
Thanks for taking time to share your point ...Seth,<br /><br />Thanks for taking time to share your point of view in a courteous manner. I appreciate it.;)<br /><br />I think the LDS church "focus" is on the myth of Joseph Smith instead of who he truly was. <br /><br />Do you agree?<br /><br />Do you think many LDS people read the history of the church? I think many do not. I think many don't even pick up their scriptures let alone the history of the church. What do you think?<br /><br />Did you see the movie produced by the LDS church on Joseph Smith that is shown in Nauvoo as JSM building in SLC? <br /><br />Did you notice them stating "why" the printing press was destroyed?<br /><br />They don't focus on these facts. <br /><br />I think they leave them out purposefully, Seth.<br /><br />I agree most men would do just as Smith did.. fire back, heck I might do the same. <br /><br />But for most of us, a martyr is not a martyr if they go down shooting..... when we think of a martyr we think of Stephen, or Jesus... both of whom asked God in the final moments to forgive those who killed them...<br /><br />Did joseph implore God and say " father forgive these men"?<br /><br />What I'm saying seth is I think so much of LDS history is "myth" vs. facts. Do you think so?<br /><br />Interested to hear your response and hey thanks again for the courteous tone, I really do appreciate it.<br /><br />Kind regards,<br /><br />gloriaI am the Clayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03746787843582356037noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-431135023103819088.post-53264301980278713932009-08-14T20:23:27.049-06:002009-08-14T20:23:27.049-06:00Finally, the "murder" thing:
The critic...Finally, the "murder" thing:<br /><br />The critics' third attack is to insist that since Joseph fired his gun six times (only three shots actually discharged) and he hit two of the mobbers, he is a "murderer."<br /><br />Joseph's actions were clearly self-defense and defense of others under the common law. But, this point is moot since the mobbers who were hit were not killed (as was first reported in some Church publications) but only wounded. They were alive and well at the trial held for mob leaders, and were identified by witnesses. Their good health allowed them to receive gifts because of their role in the assault on Joseph, Hyrum, and the other prisoners. <br /><br />Tell me Gloria, if a hooded man enters my house, draws a knife and runs for my seven year-old daughter and I shoot him in the back...<br /><br />Are you going to demand that I be arrested for murder?<br /><br />As far as your claim - "well, we're all sinners, so Joseph wasn't innocent."<br /><br />Well... that's true. But so what? No one here is comparing Joseph to Jesus Christ. I don't know anyone in the Church who does - even though anti-Mormons love to keep pushing the ridiculous claim that we worship Joseph instead of Jesus (frankly, we don't worship Joseph any more than Evangelicals worship Paul).<br /><br />Tell me, was the Chinese army's slaughter of civilians at Tienanmen Square somehow OK because the protesters weren't "innocents?"<br /><br />Were the Mormon actions at Mountain Meadows OK because the Missouri travelers shot back?<br /><br />Honestly, I think you are just allowing your anger at the LDS Church to cloud your view of history here. I know you have a lot of motive to dehumanize Joseph Smith as much as possible. But this is just ridiculous.Seth R.https://www.blogger.com/profile/13769247769345052208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-431135023103819088.post-18054398137814310412009-08-14T20:15:47.647-06:002009-08-14T20:15:47.647-06:00Next the details on what Joseph did in the jail an...Next the details on what Joseph did in the jail and whether the LDS Church covers this stuff up:<br /><br />The critics' second tactic is to rely on their target reader being uninformed about trivial aspects of LDS history. Many members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (and this is especially true of new members or less-active members) are not aware of all the excruciatingly minute details of the history of the Church. It has become a common tactic among some anti-Mormon aficionados of Mormon history to use this historical ignorance as a weapon. These writers often claim to “expose” these minor events of Church history in a sensationalistic attempt to shock members of the Church with “hidden” revelations or “secret” accounts about various episodes in Church history. They will often claim that the Church has kept this knowledge under wraps for fear that if it was generally known it would cause many members of the Church to immediately renounce their faith and result in the ruination of the Church.<br /><br />Unfortunately for the critics, Joseph's attempt to defend himself, his brother, and his friends, and his possession of a pepperbox gun, is clearly spelled out in the History of the Church:<br /><br />"In the meantime Joseph, Hyrum, and Elder Taylor had their coats off. Joseph sprang to his coat for his six-shooter, Hyrum for his single barrel, Taylor for Markham's large hickory cane, and Dr. Richards for Taylor's cane. All sprang against the door, the balls whistled up the stairway, and in an instant one came through the door. <br /><br />Joseph Smith, John Taylor and Dr. Richards sprang to the left of the door, and tried to knock aside the guns of the ruffians... <br /><br />Joseph reached round the door casing, and discharged his six shooter into the passage, some barrels missing fire. Continual discharges of musketry came into the room. Elder Taylor continued parrying the guns until they had got them about half their length into the room, when he found that resistance was vain, and he attempted to jump out of the window, where a ball fired from within struck him on his left thigh, hitting the bone, and passing through to within half an inch of the other side. He fell on the window sill, when a ball fired from the outside struck his watch in his vest pocket, and threw him back into the room." <br /><br />The next volume of the History of the Church tells the story from John Taylor's point of view:<br /><br />"I shall never forget the deep feeling of sympathy and regard manifested in the countenance of Brother Joseph as he drew nigh to Hyrum, and, leaning over him, exclaimed, 'Oh! my poor, dear brother Hyrum!' He, however, instantly arose, and with a firm, quick step, and a determined expression of countenance, approached the door, and pulling the six-shooter left by Brother Wheelock from his pocket, opened the door slightly, and snapped the pistol six successive times; only three of the barrels, however, were discharged." <br /><br />If the Church wished to hide these facts, why did they publish them in the History of the Church not once, but twice? <br /><br />Some cover-up. I knew this stuff in high school Gloria.Seth R.https://www.blogger.com/profile/13769247769345052208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-431135023103819088.post-57787662005147996442009-08-14T20:13:51.211-06:002009-08-14T20:13:51.211-06:00OK. Fine. It's frankly disgusting that I even ...OK. Fine. It's frankly disgusting that I even have to defend a few shots fired by a man being attacked by over 100 enraged men with rifles. But since you guys have decided to hang your hat on crap like this, here goes:<br /><br />First the claim that Joseph wasn't a martyr because he had the temerity to defend himself:<br /><br />In order to make their argument tenable, the critics must do three things. First, they must take some creative liberties with the English language. In this case, the word being redefined is the term martyr. Webster’s New World Dictionary defines a "martyr" as<br /><br />“a person who chooses to suffer or die rather than give up his faith or his principles.”<br /><br />The online resource, Dictionary.com, defines a martyr as:<br /><br />“one who chooses to suffer death rather than renounce religious principles.”<br /><br />Both are nearly identical and fairly standard definitions, and neither includes a requirement or qualifiers of any sort. However, some anti-Mormon writers have taken the term martyr and subtly changed its definition to suit their own needs. The new definition would probably read something like this: Martyr: a person who chooses to suffer or die rather than give up his faith or his principles without any resistance or effort at self-defense on his part whatsoever.<br /><br />Critics are free to use such a definition, but it belongs to them alone; it is not the standard use of the word, and not what Church members mean when they refer to the "martyrdom" of Joseph and Hyrum Smith at Carthage.<br /><br />Throughout Christian history, "martyrs" have been understood to be those who suffered quietly, and those who resisted, even with violence, and even to the death of those who persecuted them for their beliefs. (See FAIR wiki article: Martyrdom in Christian history.) The first anti-Mormon argument thus focuses on the fact that Joseph had a firearm and that he used that firearm to defend himself. Critics claim that Joseph's announcement that he was going “as a lamb to the slaughter” is false, since he fought back.<br /><br />Anyone who has ever worked on a farm or in a slaughterhouse knows that sheep do not go willingly to the slaughter. They kick and buck, bleat, scream, and make every attempt to escape their fate. In fact, they make such a haunting sound, that the title of an extremely popular Hollywood horror film was based on it: "The Silence of the Lambs." The term “lamb to the slaughter” simply refers to the inevitability of the final outcome. No matter how valiantly they struggle, the fate of the sheep is sealed. If we apply this understanding to Joseph Smith and his brother, it is clear that they truly were slaughtered like lambs. Fight as they might, they were doomed. <br /><br />And, as I said earlier. Joseph made his "lamb" statement before he was even arrested, much less armed.<br /><br />So - he passes the test. Martyr as charged.Seth R.https://www.blogger.com/profile/13769247769345052208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-431135023103819088.post-52073581654690996902009-08-14T19:14:04.456-06:002009-08-14T19:14:04.456-06:00Hi, pip!
Thanks for sharing your thoughts and le...Hi, pip! <br /><br />Thanks for sharing your thoughts and leaving a comment here. I knew Joseph had killed 2 people, but I was hoping seth here would speak up and acknowledge that himself. Thanks for pointing that out. I think Joseph was acting in self defense, and not so much I want to "murder these guys". But at the same time he did kill 2 men. <br /><br />The thing that concerns me is the image the LDS church gives of this "lamb to the slaughter".. for years before doing the research, I truly believed joseph died meekly and how awful that he was in prison! Well, there was good reason for his imprisonment. The LDS church does not openly talk too much about the fact that this was indeed the reason why he was at Carthage. He broke the law by destroying a printing press. ( because that press was going to tell some very telling news about his personal life!) They don't talk to much about the press issue, for obvious reasons. They want to propagate the myth of the hero.<br /><br />In any case, I do understand what you are saying about how the holy Spirit works and how God speak. The same thing happens to me.<br /><br />Thanks for taking time to stop by. It's refreshing to hear from other Christians here.:)<br /><br />God bless,<br />gloriaI am the Clayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03746787843582356037noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-431135023103819088.post-9903896058612886322009-08-14T17:59:59.736-06:002009-08-14T17:59:59.736-06:00I'm coming late to this discussion and may not...I'm coming late to this discussion and may not even get a response, but I wanted to ask a question or two in response to the following from Seth R: <br /><br />"I don't fault Joseph's actions at Carthage one little bit. I agree with every - last - one - of - them."<br /><br />Do you agree with his actions of drinking and smoking the night before he died while incarcerated at Carthage Jail? You keep stating that Joseph used a single-use pistol -it was not. According to History of the Church, Joseph had a six-shooter. It was Hyrum who had a single shot pistol. After Hyrum was shot, Joseph got off THREE shots...two people did indeed die from those shots. No "attempted murder" about it. But as Gloria has said, we are not here to argue -there are plenty of other blogs on which to do that. ;)<br /><br />The *difference* here is that Joseph never supplicated himself to the Lord and admitted he was a sinner desperately in need of saving, rather he boasted that he was greater than Jesus Himself! <br /><br />As for the original topic, when I was first saved (having grown up Mormon) it was difficult for me to discern when the Spirit was speaking to me and when it was my own desires I was feeling, but eventually I "got the hang of it". When the Spirit speaks to me, it does not come across as a warm feeling, or a burning in my bosom -rather, it is an impression. God impresses a thought upon me through the Spirit, it is almost as though there is a voice in my head. Not sure if this is making any sense or helping, but I wanted to share.Piphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15230841754692220657noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-431135023103819088.post-34597603303359519492009-08-13T23:13:02.559-06:002009-08-13T23:13:02.559-06:00Dear Mormon Heretic,
If you would honestly take s...Dear Mormon Heretic,<br /><br />If you would honestly take some time to read thru my comments left here, you would see I have not in any shape condoned any sin from any one mentioned in the bible.<br /><br />Read the comments and you will see.<br /><br /><br />I do not condone the sins of David or any one else. Either does God. He sinned. <br /><br />I do no condone the sins of Joseph Smith. He sinned. Either does God.<br /><br />God does not condone sin.<br /><br />The bible's message is one of showing the sinner like you and I how hopelessly lost we are and how desperately we need Jesus.<br /><br />That is the central message of Christianity.<br /><br />I am also calling you on your 'tone'.. .. if you wish to be patronizing and condescending, please don't post here. Share what you think and by all means disagree, but I will not tolerate rudeness or condescension. Not here. There are other blogs that will tolerate that kind of junk, but not here. <br /><br />I will state this once. Check your tone.<br /><br />It's fine to disagree with what I am saying. But I am asking you to check the tone of your comments.<br /><br />If you can't say something courteously without personally attacking a person, then perhaps you should refrain from speaking/writing.<br /><br />The gifts of the Spirit are love, peace, joy, and self control. Gal. 5:22<br /><br />Perhaps you may find it refreshing to read this passage.<br /><br />I will continue to pray for you. That God will truly open your eyes to see what you are missing out on,<br /><br />gloriaI am the Clayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03746787843582356037noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-431135023103819088.post-58968396915362708262009-08-13T20:25:25.310-06:002009-08-13T20:25:25.310-06:00Gloria,
You excuse Biblical prophets bad behavior...Gloria,<br /><br />You excuse Biblical prophets bad behavior, but not Joseph Smith's. If God can utilize a murderer like David, why can't he utilize a printing-press destroyer like Joseph? If David lusted after his neighbor Uriah's wife and was chosen by God to write Psalms, why can't God utilize Joseph the same way? Have you torn Psalms and Genesis out of your Bible because they were written by sinful men? <br /><br />You're highly inconsistent in your arguments. You're welcome to your views, but I hope you realize your inconsistency.<br /><br />You seem to be well-versed in anti-mormon lit, but seem oblivious to anti-Bible or anti-Christian lit. I find your arguments blind to the facts.<br /><br />If you want to really understand why the printing press was destroyed, you should read my blog post on the Nauvoo Expositor. I have some conclusions that will surprise both Mormons and non-Mormons. I also urge you once again to read my post about the Documentary Hypothesis if you really want to become better informed about the compilation of the Bible.<br /><br />Good luck witnessing to Mormons. You may be successful with uniformed ones like you were, but I can't take any of your arguments with any seriousness due to your uninformed understanding of the Bible.Mormon Heretichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06041005866499638646noreply@blogger.com